Item 13 - Additional Material posted 1-18-221 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13M EMQRAN DLJ M City of Poway ADDITIONAL MATERIALS (Agenda Related Writings/Documents provided to City Council or Staff after distribution of the Agenda Packet for the January 18, 2022 Council Meeting) DATE: TO: FROM: CONTACT: SUBJECT: January 18, 2022 Honorable Mayor and Members of the City Council Carrie Gallagher, City Clerk ~ (858) 668-4535 or cgallagher@poway.org Item 13 - A Resolution Approving an All-Way Stop Control at the Intersection of Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road Attached please find correspondence received after the agenda posting deadline. Reviewed/Approved By: Wendy Kaserman Assistant City Manager Reviewed By: Alan Fenstermacher City Attorney
2 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13ADDITIONAL MATERIALSFrom: To: Cc: Subject: Date: Attachments: Gary Holden ~ Carrie Gallagher All Way Stop -Martincoit and Stone Canyon Saturday, January 15, 2022 11:36:37 AM All way stop rebuttal.pdf [Some people who received this message don't often get email from gary.holden@gmail.com. Learn why this is important at http-//aka ms/1,earnAboutSenderldentification.] EXTERNAL EMAIL Please find the attached document for the Jan 18, 2022 City Council Meeting. If you have any questions, comments or concerns please let me know at your convenience. Regards, Gary Holden
3 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13January 15, 2022 Poway City Clerk Carrie Gallagher Poway, CA Dear Ms. Gallagher The memo is in response to Item #13 on the City Council meeting January 18, 2022 in reference to the All Way Stop at Martincoit and Stone Canyon. Please have this read, in its entirety, into the record during the meeting. The content should be brief enough to stay within the 2 minute comment limit. These comments are in opposition to the proposed All Way Stop. In summary, this is a solution in search of a problem. As stated in the TSC report there have been no safety incidents at the intersection and the survey was conducted on the basis of a petition from 14 property owners living in close vicinity of the intersection. The TSC recommendation is based on "May Conditions" from MUTCD. This does not take into account the additional inconvenience for the vehicles traveling through the intersection. In an email exchange with the TSC, it was confirmed that no alternate methods were considered other than the All Way Stop. "Staff received a request for a stop sign along with a petition of surrounding property owners, so that is what was analyzed." Given the light justification for two additional stop signs and no apparent attempt to look into alternative solutions, as stated above; This is a solution looking for a problem. There are viable non-stopping alternatives available if needed. The MUTCD manual contains signage such as: CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP W4-4P oncoming traffic. That can be placed on the east side on Martincoit facing the
4 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13W7•U And, With the appropriate Speed Plaque W13-1 P on the southbound entry into the intersection. These signs would seem to be reasonable alternatives to stopping on average an additional 2,200 vehicles per day or approximately 800,000 stops annually. A considerable inconvenience to all who travel the corner for no documented additional safety. Personally, I've lived on Highlands Terrace for 24 years and have been through the intersection roughly 17,000 times. I've never had a single incident where I felt unsafe for myself or anyone else. Thank you for the opportunity to propose these alternatives with the possibility that the TSC will consider these and other non-stop alternatives. Regards, Gary Holden 13720 HIGHLANDS TERRACE POWAY, CA 619-954-7936
5 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Date: Gayle Fetsch Qtv....Qer:ls Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:50: 18 AM [You don't often get email from gfetsch l@gmail.com. Learn why this is important at http·//aka ms/LearnAboutSenderidentification.] EXTERNAL EMAIL I'm writing to express my belief that a stop sign at Martincoit/Stone Canyon is long overdue as it is a very dangerous blind intersection. Thank you. Gayle Fetsch 14321 Twisted Branch Road, Poway, CA 92064
6 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Date: Gayle Fetsch Qty_Qerls Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:50:18 AM [You don't often get email from gfetschl@gmail.com. Learn why this is important at http://aka ms/LearnAboutSenderideotification.] EXTERNAL EMAIL I'm writing to express my belief that a stop sign at Martincoit/Stone Canyon is long overdue as it is a very dangerous blind intersection. Thank you. Gayle Fetsch 14321 Twisted Branch Road, Poway, CA 92064
7 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: FYI Melody Rocco .Qty_Qm FW: All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:05:38 PM From: m.kelsey@cox.net <m.kelsey@cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:59 PM To: Melody Rocco <MRocco@poway.org> Subject: All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road EXTERNAL EMAIL Melody Rocco, PE, CFM City Engineer Development Services Department 858-668-4653 Dear Ms. Rocco, Per your email dated January 14, 2022, I am writing you to voice my support for the All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road. 1100% agree with the recommendation going before the City Council at tonight's meeting to make that intersection an All-Way Stop. I live just up the street from that intersection on Martincoit Road and have been there since 2005. I pass that intersection several times a day. It does not matter which direction you are travelling on Martincoit Road or approaching the intersection from Stone Canyon Road, that intersection is extremely dangerous in its current state. I attended the City Council meeting several years ago when the subject was last studied and voted upon under the previous Mayor and a different City Council. The "No" vote at the time was driven by politics and not common sense or traffic safety or traffic science. The alternative adopted to install a sign and a blinking light on Martincoit Road was a ridiculous alternative. As I recall at that meeting, the current Mayor who was a City Councilman at the time said something to the effect that he hoped the alternative adopted fixed the problem and the City did not need to spend money to address the issue in the future. Well, here we are several years later discussing the same issue because the last decision was a poor one. It's time the current City Council fix this safety problem once and for all and adopt the science-based recommendation to make that intersection safer with an All-Way Stop. Thank you very much for allowing me to provide you and the City Council my input on this matter. Sincerely, Mike Kelsey M.Kelsey@Cox.Net
8 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: Melody Rocco Q1y__Qerk FW: All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2: 18:53 PM From: ALICIA FLOHS <aflohs@cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:18 PM To: Melody Rocco <MRocco@poway.org> Subject: All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road I You don't often get email from aflohs@cox net. Learn why this is important EXTERNAL EMAIL Melody Rocco, PE, CFM City Engineer Development Services Department 858-668-4653 Dear Ms. Rocco, Per your email dated January 14, 2022, I am writing you to voice my support for the All-Way Stop Control at Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road. I agree with the recommendation going before the City Council at tonight's meeting, 1/18/2022, to make that intersection an All-Way Stop. I have lived at 16232 Martincoit Road for 20+ years and I pass that intersection several times a day. It is extremely dangerous in its current state, especially when the speed limit was moved from 25 mph to 35 mph in a residential area. It does not matter which direction you are traveling on Martincoit Road or approaching the intersection from Stone Canyon Road as cars are moving too quickly up and down both roads. In addition, the vote to proceed with "The Farm" on Espola will only lead to more traffic and a more dangerous scenario with this intersection. I attended the City Council meeting several years ago when the subject was last studied and voted upon under the previous Mayor and a different City Council. There was a "No" vote to put the all-way stop at that time. The alternative adopted to install a sign and a blinking light on Martincoit Road which did little to deter or impede the danger of the traffic on the road. It's time the current City Council fix this safety problem once and for all and make that intersection safer with an All-Way Stop. Thank you very much for allowing me to provide you and the City Council my input on this matter.
9 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13Sincerely, Alicia Flohs aflohs@cox.net
10 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: info@greenvanevhiahlandshoa.com John Muma Proposed Stop Sign at Martincoit and Stone Canyon Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:55:58 AM I You don't often get email from info@greenvalleyhighlandshoa.com. Learn why this is important EXTERNAL EMAIL John, I am the treasurer, webmaster and email contact person for Green Valley Highlands (HOA), Poway, a homeowner (volunteer board) run organization, within your district. bttps://greenvalleyhigblandshoa.com/wp-contentluploads/2019/08/lot-map.pdf I recently sent out an email PSA to our 100+ homeowners about the proposed stop sign. I also went to the traffic safety committee meeting last October, as an observer only. I am fairly new to Poway (moved here in 2014) and I had heard about the push for stop sign in the same location circa 2013, and the protest against it at the city council meeting. Dave Grosch used to joke about that meeting; "81 people showed up to comment on a proposed stop sign, then at a meeting later in the year, only five people showed up to comment on a $5 million dollar city budget spending plan". I thought you might be interested in the feedback I observed at the October meeting {if you weren't there) and the feedback I received from the PSA message I sent out this week: At the October traffic safety meeting four of our GVHA homeowners commented against the proposed stop sign plan. Several more homeowners of Green Valley, Stone Canyon, and Valle Verde petitioned for and commented they want the stop signs. I think that number of homeowners was about seven, some went off on tangents about widening Martincoit, leveling out the Martincoit/Stone Canyon intersection, adding crosswalks, which was beyond the scope of that traffic safety committee meeting. Of our GVHA homeowners that commented back to me after the recent PSA message; three are for the stop sign, three are neutral, three are against it. One person asked if this related to the anticipated traffic increase from The Farm development. I am neutral on it, feeling that this is a bit beyond the purview of our HOA, being well outside of it. I just wanted to pass these stats on to you.
11 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13(I'll forward you the PSA sent to GVHA homeowners.) One of our board members, Ted Reynolds, ask me to me to send out the PSA, as he has social connections with Barry Leonard, and Ted and Barry agreed that the stop sign is a bad idea. Barry told me he had not heard of any proposed stop sign, Ted was the first to make him aware of it. Ironically, his district homeowners had petitioned for it several months earlier, and triggered the traffic study and report. Regards, Don Laverty 13254 Arroya Vista Rd. 310 386 4363 greenvalleyhighlandshoa.com
12 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: Bob Shutter Q1y__Qerk Stop signs proposed at Martincoit and Stone Canyon in Green Valley Sunday, January 16, 2022 5:52:43 PM I You don't often get email from mikkbob@sbcglobal.net. Learn why this is important EXTERNAL EMAIL I am writing to voice my opposition to the installation of stop signs at the intersection of Martincoit and Stone Canyon. This was tried a few years back, and the city counsel voted it down, for good reason. The traffic study done at the time demonstrated that the installation of stop signs was not justified, and I highly doubt if traffic has changed much since. The main issue I see is drivers speeding down the hill around the curve above the intersection. There are the same drivers that blow through the stop sign at the intersection of Martincoit and Rostrada. What makes you believe they will obey signs at Stone Canyon? There may be better solutions then making everyone stop when it is over-all unnecessary. Speed bumps/pedestals along with signage on the approach coming down the hill should be considered before disrupting traffic flow resulting from the installation of stop signs that are surely to be ignored by many. I see a greater potential danger when people turning left from Stone Canyon on to Martincoit believe they are safe to go, just because they think speeders coming down the hill are going to stop at a sign. Sincerely, Bob Shutter, Green Valley, Poway
13 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: JJm Vanderveen lli..Qerk Stop,sign at Martincoit and stone canyon Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:08:54 PM [You don't often get email from twv1357l@icloud.com. Learn why this is important at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderidentification.J EXTERNAL EMAIL This sima very dangerous intersection and it needs a stop sign. I fear that a fast moving vehicle may T-bone me every time I turn from Stone Canyon to go north down the Martincoit hill. Thanks. Tim Vanderveen 8584371772 Sent from my iPhone
14 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: Judith LaBarbera Qt¥...Qerk Traffic Control: stop sign at Stone Canyon and Martincoit Monday, January 17, 2022 7:28: 12 PM [You don't often get email from labarb-family@cox.net. Learn why this is important at http· //aka,ms/LearnAboutSenderldentification.] EXTERNAL EMAIL I support the installation of a 3-way stop at this intersection. Judith LaBarbera 12834 Indian Trail Rd Poway APN 275-352-04 Property owner Sent from my iPhone
15 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13From: To: Subject: Date: Jessica Studarus lli..Qer!s Yes to a stop sign at Martincoit and Stone Canyon Sunday, January 16, 2022 3:46:10 PM I You don't often get email from jpstudarus@gmail.com. Learn why this is important eXTERNA I::, II 1 Hello, We own a home 3 houses from the dangerous intersection in question. We expect the City Council to make practical adjustments to the road to maintain a pro-pedestrian community and family-safe roads. Our community is changing, traffic has increased, and a safety intervention at the intersection of Martincoit and Stone Canyon is overdue. To access the walking and horse trails in our neighborhood, I have to cross this intersection (where I have nearly been hit as a pedestrian multiple times). I also have to brave the speeding downhill traffic on Martincoit. I am for whatever traffic calming, traffic slowing, pro pedestrian interventions we can implement: -create right angles for the turns to make clearer stops and to slow traffic -create a pedestrian berth and a crosswalk. -create a walking berth on Martincoit, narrowing the road and slowing traffic -yes, create a 3 way stop. Thank you, Jessica Studarus
16 of 16January 18, 2022, Item #13January 10, 2022 Dear City Clerk, City of Poway, RECEIVED JAN I 8 2022 CITY OF POWAY CITY CLERK'S OFFICE I am writing in regards to the proposed project of the All-Way Stop Control at the Intersection of Martincoit Road and Stone Canyon Road in Poway, CA. Many households in the Green Valley Highlands Estates and the Green Valley Highlands are opposed to this project. There is a reason why it wasn't put in when the roads were originally built and why it wasn't approved at the last attempt. It is already a good working intersection. The records show clocked car speeds within the accepted range at that intersection and only 1 accident in the long history of the intersection. This should not denote a need for additional stop signs. If you place a stop sign for Martincoit going north at that intersection, it wil.1 definitely create accidents. It will create rear ending accidents since that is a curvy corner just south of the intersection. If you have several· cars stopped at that intersection going north it will be too short of a notice for someone to' stop in the appropriate time. This could result in rear ending which could potentially push cars down the gully into the home located on that corner since there are no guard rails. You could be creating more of a problem with this project. Maybe more information should be shared with Painted Rock School parents to please drive slower in the neighborhood when driving children to and from school. That is where the majority of the traffic comes from. Thank you for your time. A concerned neighbor