Item 12 - Old Poway Park Operating Schedule for Poway Midland Railroad Rolling Stock
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AGENDA ~PORT SUMMARY
TO: Honorable Mayor and Members of the City Council
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INITIATED BY: John D. Fitch, Assistant City ManagerCf r ~ "Ili' IN "'E CO
Robert L. Thomas, Director of Community Services .~y
DATE: August 1, 1995
SUBJECT: Old Poway Park Operating Schedule for Poway-Midland Railroad Rolling Stock
BSTRACT
On September 13, 1994, the City Council approved an operating schedule for the
operation of the rolling stock by the Poway-Midland Railroad Volunteers (PMRRV) at Old
Poway Park. The approved operating schedule was from 9 a,m. until 4 p.m, on Saturday
and from 11 a.m, to 2 p.m. on Sunday, and one Sunday a month the rolling stock would
not operate, PMRRV has requested additional operating hours. It is recommended that
this request be denied and the existing operating schedule be retained.
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW
This item is not subject to CEQA review.
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FISCAL IMPACT
None.
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND CORRESPONDENCE
Additional notification sent to John Ohler, Mary Cross, Jill Nasman-Moore, Carman
Steven, Denise Hankins, Luke Newcomb, Susan Davis, and Melissa Holgren.
RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the City Council deny the request by the Poway-Midland Railroad
Volunteers for additional operating hours of the rolling stock at Old poway Park and
retain the present operating schedule.
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AGENDA REPORT
CITY OF POW A Y
TO: Honorable Mayor and Members of the City Council
FROM: James L. Bowersox, City Man~
INITIATED BY: John D. Fitch, Assistant City Manager~'t ~'
Robert L. Thomas, Director of Communit Services
DATE: August 1, 1995
SUBJECT: Old Poway Park Operating Schedule for Poway-Midland Railroad
Ro 11 i ng Stock
BACKGROUND
Neighbors surrounding Old Poway Park have requested that the hours of
operating the rolling stock be limited on weekends due primarily to the noise.
On September 13, 1994, after listening to several neighbors and
representatives from PMRRV, the City Council approved an operating schedule.
The schedule set forth specific operating hours on weekends, precluded
operations on major holidays, and required a 30-day advance schedule for
special event operations (Attachment 1).
The City has received a request from PMRRV requesting additional operating
hours for the rolling stock (Attachment 2). The request would add one
additional hour of operation on Saturday, five additional hours on Sunday, and
specify operating hours for community special event days.
FINDINGS
In establishing operating hours for the rolling stock at Old Poway Park, the
objective has been to balance the neighbors desire for peace and quiet with
the community benefit of operating the rolling stock.
PMRRV has worked diligently on the needed track improvements and equipment
renovation in order to operate the locomotive, trolley, and speeder. The
locomotive and speeder are in operation and it is expected that the
improvements on the trolley will soon be completed.
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Although the present operating schedule may not be totally acceptable to
either the surrounding neighbors or PMRRV, it does strive to achieve an
appropriate balance. The schedule has been somewhat flexible when additional
hours of operation have been requested by PMRRV for a special event, the
approved weekend hours have been reduced the same number of hours.
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW
This item is not subject to CEQA review.
FISCAL IMPACT
None.
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND CORRESPONDENCE
Additional notification sent to John Ohler, Mary Cross, Jill Nasman-Moore,
Carman Steven, Denise Hankins, Luke Newcomb, Susan Davis, and Melissa Holgren.
RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the City Council deny the request by the Poway-Midland
Railroad Volunteers for additional operating hours of the rolling stock at Old
Poway Park and retain the present operating schedule.
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Attachments:
1 - Operating Scheudle for PMRRV Rolling Stock
2 - Letter from PMRRV
(C:\OATA\AGENDA\ROLSTOCK.OPP)
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OLD POWAY PARK OPERATING SCHEDULE FOR PMRRV ROLLING STOCK
On September 13, 1994, the City Council approved the following schedule and procedures
for operating the rolling stock at Old Poway Park, This schedule shall be effective from
September 17, 1994 through May 28, 1995,
1. Regular weekend operation shall run from 9 a.m, to 4 p,m, on Saturdays and from 1I
a,m, to 2 p,m, on Sundays,
2, There will be no scheduled operations on one Sunday each month,
3, There wilI be no scheduled operations on the following days: Thanksgiving Day,
Christmas Day, New Year's Day, and Easter Sunday,
4, Operations may run from 9 a.m, to 5 p,m, on the following holidays or special event
days: Labor Day, Poway Community Day, Memorial Day, and the Fourth of July,
5, Special event trips involving schools and community groups for educational purposes
must be scheduled 30 days in advance and conducted between 10 a.m, and 2 p,m"
Monday through Friday, A maximum of six hours may be scheduled per week.
6, One-half hour before and after scheduled operations, the rolling stock may undergo a
safety run, These trips shall not be open for the general public,
7, Unless determined not feasible due to safety requirements, the whistle shall not be
activated between the hours of 9 a,m, and 10 a,m. PMRRV shall identify an
appropriate safety measure in lieu of the whistle, which could include the positioning
of volunteers at the crossings.
8, If PMRRV operating revenues are adversely affected due to this schedule, the City
shall provide appropriate financial reimbursement.
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POWA Y MII)JAND RAILROAD VOLUNTEERS
June l-l, 1995
Jim Bowersox "We> DELIVERED
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City l\fanager
City of Poway
Dear Jim,
At the June I st Board meeting the Board voted to ask the City to review our operating hours, The
Sept. 13, 1994 City Council Meeting established hours for the PIvIRR through May 1995, They
felt the hours should be reviewed after r\fay. The Board of Directors would like to submit a new
operating schedule to the City.
We would request the new schedule to be as follows:
Saturday 9:00 a.m, to 5:00 p.m,
Sunday 9:00 a.m, to 5:00 p,m.
Holidays and Special Event Days *
9:00 a.m, to 6:30 p,m,
* Special Event Days are days the City has special programs planned for the Park such as
Band Festivals, Period Events, Community Days and Street Fairs,
We would like to point out that we would not always run these total hours but we would like to be
able to support activities in the Park. The Locomotive (when up and running) will probably run a
maximum of three weekends a month with the Speeder or Trolley running the other times,
To support evening events, i,e,: Christmas in the Park, we would request night runs paralleling the
Park Event.
Please contact me at 679-1252 if you have any questions,
Sincerely,
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Secretary/Treasurer
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POWA Y- MIDLAND RAILROAD VOLUNTEERS
ANNUAL SUMMARY
7/1/94 thru 6/30/95
Operations
In spite of the unfortunate incident last fall that caused the failure of the coach
wheels,this year has been quite successful, The highlights of our operation in the
service of the citizens of Poway and the public at large are:
. Rides were provided for 19526 persons, This is an inaease of 3900 over
the last fiscal year, Of this total, approximately 3800 people rode behind the
steam locomotive on eight operating weekends,
. An estimated 400 complimentary rides were provided to various
organizations,
*Training thru the Operation Lifesaver prOlTam was provided for 884 chileten
.On average. for those operating weekends, 273 people rode on Saturdays
and 191 On Sundays, (Note: Sunday hours are 11 :00 to 2:00 compared to
10:00 to 4:00 on Saturdays.)
-average riders per hour: Saturday 45
Sunday 64
.When the steam locomotive ran, 474 riders were carried per day compared to
188 with the speeder.
The public is becoming inaeasingly aware of Old Poway Park and its railroad,
Ridership IS definitely inaeasing, For example, comparing July Fourth 1995 to July
Fourth 1994:
1995: 1451 rides ( all steam)
1994: 1228 rides (all speeder)
An inaease of 18%,
F or just the month of July:
1995: 3452 (2970 steam)
1994: 1807 (287 steam)
An inaease of almost 100% !
Other Accomplishments
. The volunteers assisted the track consultants to realigl the track. This has
resulted in a sizeable reduction in overall noise and a much smoother ride,
This also minimizes the wear on the equipment wheels thereby inaeasing
their useful life .
. The tender trucks have been reworked to improve their tracking ability, This
should extend their life until replacement trucks are available,
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. Seats have been installed in a third ore c. to carry more riders per trip.
'Work has begun on the refurbishment of a fourth ore car to shorten the waiting
time of the public on holidays and special events days,
. Design worle: is in progess for the installation of air brak.es on all ore cars to
enhance passenger safety.
. DeSign of replacement trucks is almost complete, A full scale engineering
mockup has been completed, Preparation of <tawings and specifications is in
process Requests for bids should take place shortly.
. A donor has been found for replacement trolley wheels, The old wheelsets
have been sent to the donor and the replacements are expected in late fall.
Work will continue, under the supervision of the track consultants. to improve and
maintain the track, The consultants have held classes for the Volunteers so that we will
be able to perform routine maintenance,
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14039 Eastern Street
Poway, California
Location of residence: Two blocks east and two blocks south of Old Poway Park,
Comments:
The activities held at the park are plainly heard at our house, My husband, John,
works at night and sleeps during the morning, This is difficult enough without the
added noise of the train whistle blowing at 8 in the morning, We already have to
contend with the heavy traffic on Midland Road that results from park activities,
and the detours that re-route traffic past our house. Therefore, I am totally against
extending the hours of operation for the train.
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Venous Azodi
14043 Sycamore Avenue
Poway, California
Location of residence: I block south of the Old Poway Park
Comments:
I am strongly against extending the hours of operation for the train,
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PETITION
We are residents of the City of Poway and feel that the current proposal of Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ)
[hereinafter referred to as "the Plan "] is NOT in the best interests of the City of Pclway or its residents, We hereby
petition the City of Poway to reject the Plan to be presented to the City Council on 'August 1, 1995 for and
including, but not limited to, the following reasons:
1, The City of Poway does not have an urgent need for a "mini park" in our neighborhood. The currently
proposed Plan includes the same facilities which' already exist at the Star Ridge Park located approximately
3 blocks away.
2, Additional traffic hazards will be created along Silver Lake Drive, Robison Blvd" Elm Park Lane. and Carriage
Road and will further reduce the already limited parking in the area,
3. The Plan will reduce substantially the value of homes in the nearby area,
4, Residents along and near the perimeter of the area will suffer additional noise, light, and traffic pollution,
5, The Plan has the potential of increasing our local taxes to support these changes.
6. The Plan is the wrong use for this type of property, which is better suited for residential use, Residents
along the perimeter have been repeatedly assured by the City agents and representatives that the integrity
of the neighborhood would be maintained,
The undersigned persons are concerned not only for their own well-being, but also for the total effects of any public
facilities which the City may create. IT IS TIME TO CREATE DESIGN FEATURES FOR THIS PROPERTY WHICH
ATTAIN THEIR OBJECTIVES WITHOUT DAMAGE TO THE SAFETY, QUIET, CONVENIENCE. QUAUTY OF UFE. OR
ECONOMIC WELFARE OF ANYONE,
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Fred L. Fear
14062 York Ave.
Poway ca.
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Poway City Council
Ref; Extending hours of the train at "Old Poway Park",
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen of the council,
As a neighbor of your park I have made every attempt to be a good
neighbor and I have very much appreciated you doing the same,
But if you think my neighbors or myself will in any way tolerate
extending the hours of that Damned whistle on wheels you had
better think again,
I've been unable to enjoy my Sunday afternoon nap as I had tor
many years prior and I'm getting a little cranky, Don't push it.
Sincerely,
Fred 1. Fear
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Carmon L. Steven
14134 Sycamore Avenue
Poway. Ca 92064
City Council Hearing August 1. 1995
re: Expanding Train Hours at Old Poway Park
I respectfully request that the hours NOT BE expanded for the rolling stock at the
Old Poway Park, I live directly across from the park on Sycamore Avenue and
the train affects the quality of J:I'I? life outside, and when the locomotive is running,
inside our home during the existing hours, Any extension of the already allotted
times would merely exasperate my, my husbands. and our neighbors. condition,
The rolling stock is noisy, The whistle on the locomotive can be completely
intrusive, particularly when it is blown directly opposite my home, A few weeks
ago the locomotive was also emitting a noxious steam that rolled in black waves
across my yard and caused coughing and eye watering. This was admittedly an
isolated occurrence; however, it just underscored how my life has been impacted
by the park, and most particularly, the locomotive. That day I was so distressed
by the train. and this new condition of the steam, that I actually talked to my
husband about disclosing the train as a liability and selling our property of 22
years. 22 years in which we raised children, were active in the local PTA,
volunteered with the newly founded Poway soccer league, and generally
contributed to this community,
The rolling stock may in fact turn away a few riders by not being open longer
hours; however, they like every other BUSINESS. post the hours of operation and
the consumer, or public, must comply. When the hours were initially set by the
City Council. members of the train auxiliary stated directly to me that this meant
the locomotive could seldom run, and never on Sundays, because it wasn't worth
it to get it operational for limited hours. This turned out to be an inaccurate
concern as the locomotive frequently runs all day Saturday and on Sundays. It
may be equally inaccurate to feel that their revenue would significantly increase,
and if revenue is truly an issue put a minimum increase on the cost of the adult
fare during the existing hours to compensate!
I ask the Council to recognize that the train is only one piece of the park, a park
that I generally enjoy, even when it feels like I am having a perpetual birthday
party in my front yard! And when the train stops, the concerts begin, which
frequently means theA'is no quiet time in my front yard, house, or back yard from
sunrise to sunset on the weekends which are my leisure time.
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Land Planning AUG 0 1 1~5
MEMORANDUM PLANNING DEPT.
TO: Pastor Benjamin Dela Paz, Iglesia n1 Christo, poway Locale
FROM: Gary F. Hoyt, ASLA
DATE: Ju1y31. 1995
SUBJECT: Sllverlake Mini Park-Probable Cost of Construction
35 % Construction Documents (Project #5.4041)
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I On July 28. 1995, I spoke With MarlJo Van Dyke, project planner with the
I City of Poway. She reviewed the 7/28/95 budget memo with Javid Siminou of
the City's Engineering Services Department, Ms. Van Dyke said that the City
I Will regard the mini park as a public project-in effect. eliIllinating all costs for
permits and fees. ThIs Will result in substantial reduction of the indireot
I project costs for the church (approximately $10.000). The budget is still subject
to change based on further input from the neighborhood and review of plans by
I the City. Budget for design and construction of the mini park is $60,000,00,
I Additional Improvements have been identified as bid alternates if adequate
I funds are available,
I Please note that this cost opinion does not include the follOWing dtrect
I and indirect costs related to constructl.on of the park:
I . engineerIng design. including topographical survey;
. utlllty connection fees, including electricity;
. removal/disposal of existing A.C, parking lot paving and curb/berm:
. clearing and grubbing. including removal of existing trees;
. rough grading (ie. import to bring site to Within 0,1 foot of final grade);
. pedestrian access improvements from Elmpark Lane (concrete steps):
. chain link fence along south side of proposed parking lot (north park
I property line):
. demolition of concrete driveway adjacent to Silverlake Drive. and curb
replacement;
. possible requirement for concrete block wall along south park property
line.
I have estimated some of the excluded development costs below for your
information and budgeting purposes:
Item Estimated Cost
l. Concrete steps from Elmpark Lane $2,000
2. Concrete driveway demolition $600
3. Concrete curb replacement $300
4, Chain link fence along north P.L, $2,000
5. CMU wall along south P,L. $7,300
6. A.C. demolition/disposal. clear review costs with civil engineer
and grub. rough grading
13625 Adrian St,
Gary F, Hoyt, ASLA Poway, CA 92064
Pr'inclpal TEL (619) 486-4931
RLA#2517 FAX (619) 486-1457
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I Marijo Van Dyke. Poway Planning Services Dept.
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Dan Cannon, poway Public Services Dept.
I Ernesto M. Edralin. Construction Company Ll1:nited
Glen Groth Architect, AIA
Tina guioat
Jay Cleveland, American General Building Contractor
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CITY OF POW A Y
REVISED
TO: Honorable Mayor and Members of the City Council
FROM: James L. Bowersox, City Man~ ,).
INITIATED BY: John D. Fitch, Assistant City ManagerC(. ~
Reba Wright-Quastler, Director of Plan~ing Services
Marijo Van Dyke, Associate Planner
DATE: t August 1, 1995
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SUBJECT: Minor Development Review 95-31, Iglesia ni Cristo Church,
Applicant: A request for approval of the design for a mini
park located on Silver Lake Drive at the intersection of
Orohaven Lane, in the RS-7 zone.
APN: 317-640-52 (Portion)
BACKGROUND
On Tuesday, July 18th a subcommittee made up of church representatives,
neighbors, design consultants and City staff reviewed the design for the mini
park. The City Parks and Recreation Committee reviewed the plans the
following evening. The following is a summary of the suggestions from both
groups which staff recommends be incorporated in the approval for the park.
FINDINGS
The neighbors prefer that the park not have a basketball hoop and backboard,
however they do want to retain the court hard scape area for multiple uses. A
double-sided solid wood fence, with top rail, starting at an eight foot height
and descending to six feet is being requested in order to provide privacy and
sound buffering for neighboring lots immediately south of the park. One
additional picnic table is also requested. The playground equipment
recommended will be appropriate for the preschool through six-year-old age
range.
RECOMMENDATION
It is recommended that the City Council consider the recommendations of the
committees and approve Minor Oevelooment Review 95-31, as revised.
Attachments:
A. Revised Resolution Page
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Within 30 days of approval (1) the applicant shall submit in writing that
all conditions of approval have been read and understood; and (2) the
property owner shall execute a Covenant on Real Property.
COMPLIANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IS REQUIRED. COMPLIANCE SHALL BE
APPROVED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING SERVICES.
SITE DEVELOPMENT
1. Site shall be developed in accordance with the approved site plans on file
in the Planning Services Department and the conditions contained herein.
2. Revised site plans and building elevations incorporating all conditions of
approval shall be submitted to the Planning Services Department prior to
issuance of building permits.
3. Approval of this request shall not waive compliance with all sections of
the Zoning Ordinance and all other applicable City Ordinances in effect at
the time of building permit issuance.
4. The applicant shall comply with the latest adopted Uniform Building Code,
Uniform Mechanical Code, Uniform Plumbing Code, National Electric Code,
Uniform Fire Code, and all other applicable codes and ordinances in effect
at the time of building permit issuance.
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,. This approval shall become null and void if building permits are not
issued for this project within two years from the date of project
approval.
PARKING AND VEHICULAR ACCESS
1. Parking lot lights in the lower church parking area shall be low pressure
sodium and have a maximum height of 18 feet from the finished grade of the
parking surface and be directed away from all property lines, adjacent
streets and residences.
2. All two-way traffic aisles in the lower church parking area shall be a
minimum of 25 feet wide. A minimum of 24 feet wide emergency access shall
be provided, maintained free and clear at all times during construction in
accordance with Safety Services Department requirements.
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